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Minor Characters ([personal profile] alicornucopia) wrote in [community profile] alicornutopia2015-02-06 04:18 pm

exploratory kidnapping

In this room are two women, one gray and sixty years old, one just thirty and red-haired, both wearing elaborate outfits. The younger casts a spell.

In this room is now also a third person. (On whom the elder woman promptly also casts a spell, which she had at the ready.)
missnicegirl: Sitting outside, reading a book. (ι under a tree)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
She isn't quite satisfied with any of the particular kinds, but she gets a very clear idea of the kind of more generalized and flexible lie detection she might want to be able to do with ialdae.

Maybe she can just... make one.

She thinks over her design, and tells it to exist, and it does.

"I think it's getting easier to teach ialdae new things," she announces. "And I have my lie detection and I want to test it."
missnicegirl: Grinning hugely. (α because of cookies)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Matilda giggles. "It works!"
missnicegirl: Looking up from a book. (η and your point is...?)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
"Arguable but false, tentative, true, vague but true," she summarizes.
missnicegirl: Smirking. (δ you heard me)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
"It wasn't quite the same, but I don't have an exact technical vocabulary for the complicated lie detection I invented five ticks ago."
missnicegirl: Looking up from a book. (η and your point is...?)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
"Why do you order custom shoes?"
missnicegirl: Grinning hugely. (α because of cookies)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Matilda giggles.
missnicegirl: Smiling or smirking. (γ c'mere spoon!)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
"True without causal implication. I like my lie detection."
missnicegirl: Looking up from a book. (η and your point is...?)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm not completely sure. It seems to be harder for people who aren't me to get ialdae to do things."
missnicegirl: Walking down the lane towing a wagon of books. (θ back from the library)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
"It's probably related to the fact that as far as I know I'm the first person who ever got ialdae to do things. Maybe it's very hard for most people and I'm just especially good at it. You could try studying my lie detection and then seeing if you can copy it - you can see it, right?"

The fact that it's on Matilda makes it a little hard to pick out against the glare, but it's perfectly legible once identified. It's a very tidy little thing, surprisingly elegant for the complexity of its results; rather than having a rigidly defined structure for sorting statements by truth value, it rides on a fuzzy conceptual understanding of what truth means and evaluates statements from both the speaker's and listener's perspective to identify mismatches. The display method is similar to ialdic magic-seeing, but applied to an imaginary written version of spoken statements, never directly interfacing with one's visual field.
missnicegirl: Looking up from a book. (η and your point is...?)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"It doesn't give me information about things I can't hear... but for things I only sort of hear, I think it would probably tell me I didn't hear it right," she muses.
missnicegirl: Smirking. (δ you heard me)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well, I am very smart. But I don't know if that's why I'm so good at ialdae or if it's just a coincidence."
missnicegirl: Looking up from a book. (η and your point is...?)

[personal profile] missnicegirl 2015-03-26 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well, you're not as far out of range for dragons as I am for humans, when it comes to how fast you generate ialdae and how much you carry around. I'm out of range for any species on those. I can't directly see a parameter for how good you are at teaching it things... but that doesn't mean there isn't one, it just means ialdae hasn't learned how to see it yet, probably because it isn't as obvious. And I don't think I've seen you do enough ialdae to know how good you are at it without just magically seeing the answer. You did copy my lie detection really fast..."

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