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Isabella Marie Swanna ◎ "Ace" ([personal profile] the_very_best) wrote in [community profile] alicornutopia2014-09-13 03:23 pm

barring emergencies

Bella's not sure where she has wandered. She thought she was about to walk into a shop, but this appears to be an unattended bar. With none of the windows associated with the shop she thought she was entering. It could be an elaborate psychic assault of some kind, but it doesn't feel very... assault-y... and she was in the middle of a town and doesn't think any humans want to sic their 'mon on her. It's strange. She approaches the bar, looking around warily, hand hovering near her belt.

with Max (Benedict)

with Earth and Lightning (kappa)

with Ann and Sabrina (kuuskytkolme)
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-17 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Sixty five dollars a day... not something that an out-of-work substitute teacher can afford regularly.

"I... suppose I can afford one day here, to investigate. If time is frozen out there, I'm at least going to want to get my biorhythms in order so I don't start getting tired early."

He pulls a debit card from his wallet. "Do you have... a card reader, or something, or do you just... magically scan it?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-17 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
"It's a credi- er, debit card. In my world, we keep most of our money in electronic accounts, and... this thing is sort of a standardized way of controlling access to... I use it to pay for things. You have orbs that atomize and contain superpowered monsters, and you're thrown by credit cards?"

As an aside, he asks the bar if Milliways has compatible power outlets- he's going to want to take notes on his laptop, and it's low on battery.
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-17 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
"Oh? So you have... differently-decorated cards? Psychic pokémon bank tellers? ID numbers?"

He looks around for a napkin on the subject of power outlets. If the bar's aesthetic is a product of the home culture of its owners, presumably some sort of human, he predicts that if there are power outlets, they'd be some common Earth type.

Or, no, scratch that, he predicts they're probably magic and conform to the power interface requirements of whoever's using them, because they can do that kind of thing apparently. Or they're not there to discourage loitering.
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-17 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
Max remembers the "buying any nonmagical object" thing, and decides to investigate that.

"So... buying things that aren't drinks, anything nonmagical. What are... the limits on how much you know about an order? If an alien walked in and asked for a znorfblarg, please, would you just know what that was? Would they have to describe it to you, would you have trouble fabricating something unusual?"

In the first case, it'd imply some magic inferential or oracular power whose limits could bear further testing. In the second case, the cultural vocabulary of the bar's creators could be triangulated by investigating the bar's menu. He has a good feeling about this avenue.

"And you- what's a Po-catch?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-17 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
If they were a...

"So, hold on. Real thing? There's an infinite number of universes, supposedly- so somewhere out there has to be something called a znorfblarg. It's definitely a real thing, I just don't have any idea what it is because I'm not from a universe with znorfblargs. If I asked you for a znorfblarg, I assume you wouldn't know what I meant and be unable to produce one. But... if someone came in from a universe you've never met anyone from before, and they ordered a znorfblarg... the only difference would be that they would know what a znorfblarg was. Do you... read minds, or is the system more complicated?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-17 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
"Wait- she's not speaking English? These- if I took these napkins home, would the translation fail and I'd look at the napkins and they'd be covered in gibberish, or are they enchanted napkins?"

He looks at the girl, trying to find writing somewhere on her clothing that he could confirm as an alien language.
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
So, enchanted napkins confirmed...? Or...

"So, hold on. Does the text on the napkins change when I bring them home, or does the translation effect just persist on the napkin itself? If I took a napkin, left the bar, came back with the same napkin, and gave it to her, and she took it home to her world, would she find it written incomprehensibly in my language?"

He... realizes he can't imagine how knowing one way or the other would be useful, but he finds himself asking anyway. He invents himself a reason- if it's a persistent enchantment, he may be able to bring it home and get someone to study or reverse-engineer the magic. Yes. Good. Practical thinking. He awards himself a gold star in his head.
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Damn. Okay. No enchanted napkins, then- enchanted bar, separate enchantment for making the translation permanent when you leave. That could have been the loophole in the "nonmagical items only" requirement.

...No, wait.

"So, you can only order nonmagical things, but... you said you could sell her Pokéballs, right? Those things are as good as magic in my world, but presumably in hers they're ordinary technology. Is 'nonmagical' relative to the magic saturation level of the customer's universe, or something?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
"I wasn't gonna ask that! Those are, like, your pets, right? Of course I'm not going to ask to..."

Now, hold on a minute.

"So- hold on, the door- how hard is it to catch a pokemon? In my kid's game, he could get something in like, a minute... if you went to catch a pokemon, and I held the door to the bar, would it stay open to your- I mean, bar, would it stay open to her world?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
"Well. That's... that's two reasons that wouldn't work, then."

Oh! Max remembers how he got on all this. Nonmagicalness, enchantments, translation, homophones... knowing about znorfblargs.

"So... back to the item-ordering thing... the translation mechanism is what translates my English into whatever you hear it as? That's... leaving aside how a fully general perfect language learning enchantment could be... psychologically invasive, what happens if I ask for a real thing whose name I know, but which I don't know anything about the details of? Say I visit some science lab, and ask someone to name an esoteric piece of equipment for me, and then come here... without knowing what it is, would I be able to order it by name?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
"What? That doesn't make any- how would you know what to conjure? Do you just have... a list of every possible object? Do you read my- do you read the scientist's mind from wherever he is? How on earth..."

The sum of money for the Pokédex sounds exorbitant. In fact...

"And while I'm at it, how does pricing work? If someone lives in a universe where, say, batteries are extremely uncommon and expensive, and someone else comes from a place where you can get them for a couple bucks at the convenience store, do you quote them two separate prices? What's with that?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
"You don't need a list and you don't read minds- 'speaking English' isn't enough to know how to build a- a- a whatever complicated thing, just from its name! And- and the other thing, currency has nothing to do with it! If someone comes in and asks for batteries, and you base the price on how much they cost in their world, and they can't afford it... and then someone else from another world shows up, do they... do you see what I'm getting at? If I came from a world where they handed Pokedexes out like candy, wouldn't that price you gave be unfair?"
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[personal profile] unblinkered 2014-09-18 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
So okay, it is just blatantly unfair, and- what?!

"Cause them to appear?! Wha- that's not how- what are you talking about?! What does that mean? Where does the information that tells you to make the one thing as opposed to the other even- there's- there's no free lunch!"

this bar is either stupid or lying or the fundamental mechanics of information theory are broken ohhh no no no no
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